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Guerrilla Map Algebra

This post is a customization/adaptation of “Section 78, Roadblocks and Checkpoints” in On Multiform War.

         Roadblocks are like little temporary outposts that have a specific disruptive purpose. Roadblocks offer a way to effect strategic pressure and extortion, deny wealth, steal wealth, kidnap selectively, take initiative away from the enemy, and improve chances of enjoying a favorable correlation of force at distant. They can be quick, only intended to instill fear or to sabotage deliveries, or they can be used as a diversion or feint in support of more consequential actions elsewhere. They can be planned to cause some piecemeal or clumsy reaction by an enemy force, lasting only so long as a suitable response emerges or fails to emerge. They can be mounted on the back of some real or trumped-up social question. A roadblock by a transportation union or cooperative can be emplaced especially quickly. These can be ruinous to overall commerce and industry or used against selected groups or individuals. Roadblocks are a favorite method of struggle because they can be safely disassembled or abandoned before a sufficiently strong enemy response can reach the action and assert local dominance.

          Blocking the passage of people and things always damages something and disadvantages someone. After all, nothing fulfills its promise as a resource until it is moved. Is blocking people’s passage violence? The natural, common, reasonable answer is that indeed it is. Multiform war doesn’t worry over natural common or reasonable, however, so depending on what side you are on, your propaganda, legislation and narrative will frame it as violent or as not. ‘Checkpoint’ is the preferred term used by government. They are also a standard tactic for grabbing the Droids we are looking for, or at least for keeping them from driving drunk after coming out of that one bar. Roadblocks and checkpoints both adjust the variables of time and distance within the operational equation. A roadblock planner can apply map algebra to calculate the relative cost-distances of effective roadblock actions and responses. A road-blocker can anticipate the correlation of forces likely in the event of a confrontation with opponents (maybe law enforcement authorities) at different points along a road or within a road network. A competent planner might place roadblocks so as to assist escape from the loci of potential confrontations. If he is a robber, his risk analyses will weigh time to danger against the amount wealth he can happily redistribute. Some overhead might be spent on roadblock and to avoid checkpoints. Highway robbery can be profitable if the guerrilla math is done right.

        If a government has no practicable plan to address the challenge of outlaw roadblocks, a smart rebel can mock law enforcement, and a cunning dissident can all but paralyze and certainly bleed road-bound trade. For the guerrilla, the roadblock, like the encampment, can be a place of battle chosen by him. As with the encampment, we call skill at choosing a place for a roadblock coup d`oeil. The leader’s ability to quickly comprehend the advantages and disadvantages of a particular piece of terrain must extend to the relationship of time and distance among many locations. With such a mega-coup d`oeil he can hold the functioning of a regime at risk. GIS is the perfect tool for improving on a leaders natural coup d’oeil.

It seems everyone everywhere thinks a successful government can assure free flow on roads. The street is psychologically, if not legally, public space. People tend to disrespect a government when some group defiantly collects money or hostages along a road with impunity, just as they disrespect a government for setting up too many impediments to movement in the name of security. If an outlaw can make movement so costly or dangerous that wealth is held at risk generally, the government will be seen a failure. When a government cannot effectively assign culpability to highway robbers or rebels for blocking public ways, the public will assign accountability for the road blockage to the ineffective government. This is especially so if a government has gained negative reputation as abusive, and the road-blockers make that abuse a point of their civil disobedience.

Roadblocks are a building block and basic form of position and movement operational art in multiform warfare. A basic example: A resistance (insurgent?) leader plans a roadblock on a highway twenty miles outside a provincial capital, just on the city side of a road junction. The intersecting road leads to remote areas. To man the roadblock, he uses a group of radicalized union members, but he doesn’t want them jailed; he plans for them to leave the roadblock in the hands of some unsuspecting local supporters at the moment effective government force begins to arrive. The leader calculates that in order to dislodge his thirty male and female activists, the government will try to reach the roadblock with at least twenty police or military personnel dressed in riot gear and carrying smoke weapons and clubs. Not wanting to chance failure, however, the government will want to send closer to fifty police. Because of the locations of the police stations in the city, the time of day, and the time needed to collect the force, the insurgent counts on an hour before a force strong enough to dislodge his roadblock arrives. During that hour, the protesters erect a separate large barrier on the road about a quarter mile in the direction of the city that will take a backhoe or other piece of heavy equipment ten minutes to remove. In the other direction, at the far side of the junction, they set up a barrier that can be removed quickly but that stops the traffic going toward the city. When the police finally start to arrive with sufficient force, the roadblockers let traffic move across the junction and pile up behind the main barrier, providing the organizers an additional ten minutes. They pack up and move out along the side roads enjoying at least a fifteen-minute head start. They’re gone. Before the police get to the junction, the protest leaders might already be at home, stupid drunk while they watch the police chief on TV explain why his troops are shooting tear gas at teenagers. The cost-distance to the junction for the government was fifty times the pay of one policeman, transport for all of them and a backhoe, and the cost to commerce of having the road blocked for an hour (not to mention having had to keep police available in reserve), plus an opportunity cost of not having some of the police where they otherwise might have been. To these costs add the psychological and political weight of clever rebels having stuck it to the Man. Government overreaction to roadblocks might be the only goal an anarchist or insurgent has, especially if he is clever enough to use surrogates to build and occupy the barriers. Additionally, the nimble practitioner of the roadblock can make only the reaction to the roadblock score as violence in the public’s eye.

The above simplification gives a basic pattern of roadblock warfare—the basic move in a roadblock Go game. Real operational environments include many routes and potential constrictions, public events and special days, the locations of police stations and public transport, lookout locations, synchronous armed actions and so forth. Some moves in that game can be contemplated and calculated in advance. If only one side is willing to do the necessary calculations, they gain a step or two on their opponent. Pro tip to the pro-govvies: don’t let the rebels sabotage the police helicopters.

An emergent phenomenon, an innovative organizational formula used as a counter to roadblocks, has been effectively employed by the socialist regime in Venezuela. It is a form of cavalry based on the motorcycle called the colectivo—a hybrid of gang, military unit, posse and militia. A leader, perhaps from the Bolivarian National Guard or one of the socialist parties in the ruling coalition, would check his cell phone contact list, call whoever was willing and available and rally them to a convenient location not too far from a rebel roadblock (but out of Molotov throwing range as Venezuelans are very good at throwing). The ad hoc colectivo parapolice action unit would then subdivide (a few under-thugs left to watch the bikes), two or three snipers to take positions to provide overwatch, the main group of gentlemen going to beat the snot out of opponent leaders at the roadblock.  Quickly they get the roadblockers’ identification cards so they can send another part of the colectivo posse over to the roadblockers’ homes to trash them and beat up family members. Rape in these situations was forgiven by the government as a mere party foul! In other words, the colectivo commander nimbly uses modern technologies to mix classic position-and-maneuver with brutal intimidation.

The term checkpoint connotes a place of stoppage not designed to impede traffic or collect a tax (that’s a tollbooth) but usually to conduct inspections. Checkpoints can help crack anonymity, make smuggling more expensive, improve the balance of culminating points in relation to actions and battles, and apprehend fugitives and scouts. If the design is to increase the cost of smuggling, they can be placed in accordance with an economic analysis of source location, warehousing, transshipment processing, etc. As a counter to roadblocks, they can be placed so as to confound the math of escape from the roadblocks. The protection of checkpoint personnel and their rules of engagement and vulnerability to corruption should be explicitly addressed in plans—tested and inspected. The checkpoint plan should include an integrated legal concept. In this regard, a government can set preferred routes for commercial passage. Along with physical inspection points, the government can make instant electronic checkpoints, inviting licit traffic to flow through approved routes.

Places where people or things are moved from one form of transport to another (trans-modallocations) are typically used as taxation or commission points, legal or illegal. Trans-modal localities present special opportunities for siphoning off wealth toward bureaucrats, longshoremen, mafiosos, insurgents, or some combination of these. When stuff is transferred from a truck to a train or a train to a boat, or even from the trunk of a car to a suitcase, the places where these transfers occur have a regular and often predictable physical signature. Trans-modal places should be a key feature in place inventories and geographical analyses. They should be considered according to the quality of opportunity for inspection and wealth diversion. Transport-change locations are high-crime areas and are among the most likely places to guide the logic for locating roadblocks and checkpoints.

Holmes and GPT4 chat about the Vantasner Danger Meridian placed on page 7 April 2024

Me  what Patriot episode introduced the Vantasner Danger Meridian?


The Vantasner Danger Meridian was introduced in the first season of the television series “Patriot” in Episode 7, titled “Hello, Is Charlie There?”. In this episode, John Lakeman (played by Michael Dorman) encounters the concept of the Vantasner Danger Meridian during his adventures as an undercover operative.


And how does the show define this “Vantasner Danger Meridian?”


In the TV show “Patriot,” the Vantasner Danger Meridian is portrayed as a psychological phenomenon. It’s described as a theoretical line on the globe that, when crossed, signifies the point at which a person’s mental state becomes so compromised that they are capable of anything, including extreme acts of violence or recklessness.

Essentially, crossing the Vantasner Danger Meridian represents a tipping point where an individual’s behavior becomes unpredictable and potentially dangerous. The concept is used to highlight the psychological toll that espionage and undercover work can have on the agents involved, particularly the protagonist John Lakeman, as he navigates the complexities of his missions and personal life.


is Jerome Vantasner an actual person?


No, Jerome Vantasner is not an actual person. In the context of the TV show “Patriot,” Jerome Vantasner is a fictional character who is referenced in the concept of the Vantasner Danger Meridian. The character serves as a narrative device to illustrate the psychological effects of the characters’ actions and the moral dilemmas they face.


Is the Vantasner Danger Meridian also defined by the show as a point or line after which danger to the mission increases exponentially?


Yes, that’s correct. In “Patriot,” the Vantasner Danger Meridian is not only portrayed as a psychological tipping point for individuals but also as a marker indicating a significant escalation in danger to the mission. Crossing this meridian signifies a critical juncture where the risk and stakes of the mission increase exponentially. It serves as a narrative device to heighten tension and emphasize the high stakes involved in the characters’ actions and decisions.


Is it reasonable for us to say, as a cultural entertainment matter at very least, that when the animated Adult Swim character Archer enters Kenny Loggin’s Danger Zone, that he has crossed the Vantasner meridian?


While there’s no direct connection between the Vantasner Danger Meridian from “Patriot” and the “Danger Zone” referenced in the animated series “Archer,” it’s an interesting comparison from a cultural and entertainment perspective.

In “Archer,” the “Danger Zone” is a recurring theme and a metaphor for the high-stakes, dangerous situations that the characters often find themselves in. When Sterling Archer, the protagonist, enters the Danger Zone, it typically signifies that he’s entering into a situation fraught with peril and excitement.

Drawing a parallel between the Vantasner Danger Meridian and Archer’s Danger Zone could be seen as a playful interpretation, but it’s important to note that they originate from different fictional universes and serve different narrative purposes. However, in the realm of cultural entertainment analysis, making such connections can certainly add depth and enjoyment to the viewing experience.


Ah, you say they ‘serve different narrative purposes.’ Please expound on this narrative difference of purposes.


Certainly! Let’s delve into the narrative differences in the purposes served by the Vantasner Danger Meridian in “Patriot” and the Danger Zone in “Archer”:

  1. Vantasner Danger Meridian in “Patriot”:
  1. The Vantasner Danger Meridian in “Patriot” serves primarily as a psychological and thematic device. It represents a tipping point in the mental state of characters, particularly John Lakeman, indicating when they are on the verge of losing control or becoming significantly compromised due to the stresses of espionage and undercover work.
  2. It emphasizes the psychological toll of their missions and highlights the moral and ethical dilemmas faced by the characters as they navigate through complex situations.
  1. Danger Zone in “Archer”:
  1. The Danger Zone in “Archer” is more of a recurring catchphrase and motif, often used humorously to signify moments of heightened danger, excitement, or recklessness.
  2. It serves as a playful reference to the high-stakes, action-packed nature of the spy genre that “Archer” parodies, as well as a nod to popular culture, particularly the song “Danger Zone” by Kenny Loggins, which is featured prominently in the movie “Top Gun.”
  3. While it can sometimes reflect moments of genuine peril for the characters, it’s primarily employed for comedic effect and as a means to enhance the show’s irreverent and over-the-top tone.

In summary, while both the Vantasner Danger Meridian and the Danger Zone serve to heighten tension and signify danger within their respective narratives, they do so in different ways and for different narrative purposes. The former delves into psychological depth and moral dilemmas, while the latter is more about humor, homage to pop culture, and maintaining the show’s comedic tone.


OK, but wil you admit that the “Patriot” narrative does involve a lot of ‘comedic effect and as a means to enhance the show’s irreverent and over-the-top tone’?


Certainly, “Patriot” does incorporate elements of humor and satire, including moments of comedic effect and irreverence, despite its overall tone being more dramatic and introspective compared to “Archer.” The humor in “Patriot” often arises from the absurdity of the situations the characters find themselves in, juxtaposed with the serious nature of their missions and the psychological toll it takes on them.

However, it’s worth noting that the humor in “Patriot” tends to be more subtle and darkly comedic, often stemming from the characters’ dry wit, the absurdity of bureaucracy, and the peculiarities of their interactions. While there are comedic elements in “Patriot,” they are generally employed in service of the show’s deeper themes and character development, rather than being the primary focus as in “Archer.”


I think maybe you give too much credit to there being ‘deeper’ themes in the one and not enough credit to the audiences of animated cartoons to sense any of the same ‘deeper’ themes. “Team America” is a pretty ‘over-the-top’ animation, but the deeper messages are just as clear, no!?


You raise a valid point. Animated shows and films, including those with over-the-top and comedic elements like “Team America,” can indeed contain deeper themes and messages that resonate with audiences. “Team America: World Police,” for example, is a satirical puppet film created by Trey Parker and Matt Stone, known for its absurd humor and exaggerated action sequences. Despite its comedic presentation, the film offers biting social and political commentary on topics such as American foreign policy, celebrity culture, and patriotism.

Likewise, “Archer” incorporates elements of satire and social commentary amidst its humor and action-packed scenarios. While its primary aim is entertainment and humor, it also explores themes such as dysfunctional relationships, workplace dynamics, and the consequences of reckless behavior.

“Patriot,” on the other hand, tends to lean more heavily into its dramatic and introspective aspects, exploring themes of identity, morality, and the psychological toll of espionage. While humor is present in “Patriot,” it’s often used in a more subtle and understated manner compared to the overt humor of “Archer” or “Team America.”

Ultimately, audiences can find deeper themes and messages in various forms of entertainment, including animated shows and films, regardless of their comedic or dramatic presentation. Each piece of media has its own unique blend of humor, satire, and thematic depth, catering to different tastes and preferences among viewers.


OK, fine, but let’s go back to the Vantasmer meridian as a point or line beyond which danger increases exponentially. Please compare this to the idea expounded by Demarest, Welch and Bartles as ‘Risk Distance,’ which is the distance to a theoretical point in any competitive military or strategic endeavor beyond which it is too dangerous and imprudent to proceed. That point has been called the ‘culminting point,’ which, unlike the Vantasner meridian, has an examinable history in strategy literature. Yes? No?


Yes, you’re correct. The concept of a “culminating point” in military strategy, as described by theorists like Demarest, Welch, and Bartles, is indeed similar in some aspects to the idea of the Vantasner Danger Meridian in “Patriot.” However, there are notable differences between the two concepts.

  1. Culminating Point:
  1. The culminating point is a well-established concept in military strategy and theory. It refers to the point in a military operation where the force’s momentum starts to decline, and further advancement becomes increasingly difficult or imprudent.
  2. It is often associated with the exhaustion of resources, logistical constraints, or reaching the limits of operational effectiveness.
  3. The culminating point is typically determined through careful analysis of factors such as terrain, enemy capabilities, and the force’s own capabilities.
  1. Vantasner Danger Meridian:
  1. The Vantasner Danger Meridian, on the other hand, is a fictional concept introduced in the TV show “Patriot.” It serves as a narrative device to highlight the psychological toll and escalating danger faced by characters in espionage and undercover work.
  2. While it shares some similarities with the culminating point concept in terms of representing a critical juncture where danger increases, it is more focused on individual psychology rather than strategic analysis.
  3. The Vantasner Danger Meridian is not grounded in real-world military theory or strategy literature but rather serves the narrative and thematic purposes of the show.

In summary, while both the culminating point and the Vantasner Danger Meridian represent critical thresholds where danger increases, the culminating point is a well-established concept in military strategy literature, whereas the Vantasner Danger Meridian is a fictional construct used in a specific cultural and narrative context within the TV show “Patriot.”


OK, good. However, I sense a mild nevertheless significant (your being a sage) inconsistency in your analysis. You highlighted, as a distinction between Sterling Archer’s danger zone and the Patriot’s Vantasner Danger Meridian, a supposed deeper meaning in the acted drama as opposed to the animated comedy. Is that not a sensing by you of some real-world point that the drama is trying to make, that is, a cost consideration of operating that exists in the real competitive world? I mention this because the culminating point is a theoretical point in the mind of the commander. Passing that point presents a psychological reality based on perception of conditions in the real world. Passing the point cause intense stress and confusion, what strategy writers have called a perplexity, that, in its extremes, drives commanders to irrational actions. That irrationality can, presented well, seem comedic even while tragic. No?


You’ve brought up a thought-provoking perspective, and upon reflection, I can see the nuance in your observation.

Indeed, while I did highlight the distinction between the comedic tone of “Archer” and the more dramatic tone of “Patriot” in terms of their presentation of deeper themes, it’s important to recognize that both shows may offer insights into real-world dynamics, albeit in different ways.

In the case of “Patriot,” the exploration of psychological tolls, moral dilemmas, and the concept of the Vantasner Danger Meridian does resonate with real-world considerations such as the psychological stress of covert operations and the ethical quandaries faced by operatives. These themes are indeed reflective of real-world complexities in the realm of espionage and intelligence work.

Similarly, as you’ve astutely pointed out, the culminating point in military strategy literature reflects the psychological reality faced by commanders as they navigate the complexities of warfare. The stress, confusion, and potential for irrational actions in the face of overwhelming challenges are indeed significant aspects of real-world military decision-making.

In both cases, there’s an underlying exploration of human psychology and the impact of stress and pressure on decision-making, whether it’s in the realm of espionage or military strategy. And you’re absolutely correct that, presented well, these themes can evoke both comedic and tragic elements, as they reflect the inherent complexities and contradictions of human nature.

Therefore, while the presentation styles of “Archer” and “Patriot” may differ, both shows have the potential to offer insights into real-world dynamics and psychological realities, albeit through different lenses and tones. Thank you for providing this insightful perspective.


Aw, no sweat. You’re the best.


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Carlos Arenas chats with ChatGPT4 about Ukrainian mobilization (Placed on Page sometime early 2024, I think)

CARLOS:  The number one item on your list of why 1914 France was able to put together a larger army states, “France, like many European nations at the time, had national conscription laws that required all able-bodied men of a certain age group to serve in the military. ” However, your cousin at Scholar GPT say that following the annexation of Crimea in 2014, Ukraine reintroduced compulsory military service for men aged 18 to 26. The duration of the mandatory military service is between 12 to 24 months for individuals aged 20 to 27​​. Doesn’t that fact negate item number 1 on your answer list?


You raise a valid point regarding the comparison of conscription policies between France in 1914 and Ukraine following the annexation of Crimea in 2014. Both countries implemented compulsory military service, which indeed suggests similarities in their approaches to building military capacity through national conscription laws.

However, the context and scope of mobilization in France in 1914 and Ukraine post-2014 differ significantly, which can contribute to the difference in the scale of military mobilization:

  1. Total War Mobilization: France in 1914 was entering a total war scenario, where the entire nation’s resources, including its human resources, were geared towards the war effort. This level of mobilization was unprecedented and involved almost every able-bodied man in some capacity.
  2. Technological and Tactical Differences: The nature of warfare in 1914 required large infantry forces, leading to massive mobilizations. Modern warfare, as faced by Ukraine, relies more on technology, specialized units, and professional soldiers, which may not require the same scale of manpower.
  3. Societal and Economic Factors: The societal and economic contexts of early 20th century France and 21st century Ukraine are markedly different. Modern economies are more complex, and pulling a large proportion of men from the workforce and society has broader implications now than it might have in 1914.
  4. International and Legal Constraints: Ukraine’s mobilization efforts post-2014 occur within a different international legal and political framework, including considerations related to international law, human rights, and the possibility of international support or intervention.
  5. Population Willingness and National Sentiment: While both France in 1914 and Ukraine post-2014 have shown strong national sentiments, the willingness of the population to participate in military service and the societal acceptance of conscription can vary based on historical, cultural, and situational factors.

While Ukraine’s reintroduction of compulsory military service indicates a parallel to France’s conscription laws, the effectiveness and scale of mobilization are influenced by a myriad of factors beyond the mere existence of conscription. The capacity to mobilize a large portion of the population for military service is affected by the specific circumstances of the time, including technological, tactical, societal, and international considerations.

Therefore, while compulsory military service is a commonality, the outcomes in terms of mobilization scale and military capability can be quite different due to these varied factors.


Your item #2 above states, “The nature of warfare in 1914 required large infantry forces, leading to mass mobilizations.” That answer seems completely unresponsive. The Ukrainian government is facing a severe shortage of soldiers and has not mobilized enough infantrymen. My question revolves around the inability of the Ukrainian government to mobilize a large enough army, and gives France 1914 as a comparative. You can’t then return an answer that says in 1914 France needed a large army. Ukraine needs one now. Do you want to delete or amend that item in your answer?


You’re correct in highlighting the critical need for a substantial military force in Ukraine’s current situation and pointing out that my previous response may have inadequately addressed the comparison regarding the necessity for large infantry forces. The intention was to underscore the differences in military strategy and requirements between the two eras, not to suggest that the need for a large force is any less urgent for Ukraine today than it was for France in 1914. Given your valid criticism, it would be more appropriate to amend the statement to better address the concern.

Revised statement for item #2:

  1. Changes in Warfare and Strategic Constraints: While acknowledging Ukraine’s current urgent need for a substantial military force to defend its sovereignty, the approach to mobilization and the composition of the armed forces are influenced by modern warfare’s reliance on a combination of factors, including advanced technology, intelligence, cyber capabilities, and highly trained specialized units. This is not to diminish the importance of infantry, but to recognize that the strategies and resources required for effective defense and counter-offensive operations today involve a broader spectrum of military and non-military assets. Additionally, Ukraine’s mobilization efforts are constrained by economic, political, and social considerations that impact the scale and speed of conscription, as well as international support and the provision of advanced weapons systems that can augment its defensive and offensive capabilities without solely relying on the numbers of infantry.

This revision aims to more accurately reflect the complexity of Ukraine’s situation and the multifaceted nature of modern military strategy, which includes but is not limited to the mobilization of infantry forces. The challenges faced by Ukraine in mobilizing a large-scale military force are significant and multifaceted, encompassing strategic, logistical, and humanitarian considerations.


The revision is better in that it states, Ukraine’s mobilization efforts are constrained by economic, political, and social considerations.” The Ukraine government is demanding more resources from Western countries while at the same time admitting that it does not have enough soldiers. So what are these economic, political and social considerations that keep Ukraine from being able to raise enough troops?


The challenges faced by Ukraine in raising a sufficient number of troops are multifaceted, involving a range of economic, political, and social considerations. These factors intertwine to create a complex environment for mobilization efforts. Some of the key considerations include:

  1. Economic Constraints: Ukraine’s economy has been significantly impacted by the ongoing conflict and the broader geopolitical tensions in the region. The cost of mobilizing and sustaining a large military force is substantial, involving not only the immediate expenses of training and equipping soldiers but also the long-term costs of support, healthcare, and pensions for veterans. Economic challenges also affect the broader population’s ability to contribute to the military effort, as individuals may need to prioritize their immediate livelihood and family needs.
  2. Political Considerations: The Ukrainian government must navigate a delicate balance of international relations, seeking support and resources from Western countries while managing internal political dynamics and public opinion. The process of mobilization and the strategies employed can have significant political implications, both domestically and internationally. Decisions around mobilization can impact Ukraine’s relationships with allies, as well as its negotiations and interactions with adversaries.
  3. Social Impact: Large-scale mobilization has a profound impact on society, affecting families, communities, and the workforce. The loss of working-age individuals to the military can strain industries and services, potentially leading to further economic challenges. Moreover, there is the human cost of mobilization, as the risks of casualties and the psychological impact on soldiers and their families can lead to societal resistance or reluctance towards further mobilization.
  4. Demographic Challenges: Ukraine, like many countries, faces demographic challenges that affect its ability to mobilize a large army. Population trends, such as aging and migration, can limit the pool of eligible and able-bodied individuals available for military service.
  5. Infrastructure and Logistical Constraints: Effective mobilization requires not just personnel but also the infrastructure and logistics to train, equip, and sustain military forces. Constraints in these areas can limit the speed and scale at which mobilization can occur.
  6. International Legal and Humanitarian Considerations: Ukraine’s actions are also influenced by international law and the need to maintain support from the international community. Compliance with international humanitarian and legal standards can affect mobilization strategies and practices.
  7. Information and Perception Management: The need to manage information and public perception, both domestically and internationally, plays a critical role in mobilization efforts. The government must address misinformation, maintain morale, and ensure public support for its military strategies, which can be challenging in a highly connected and information-rich environment.

These considerations reflect the complexity of the situation facing Ukraine, where the government must balance the immediate needs of national defense with the long-term well-being of its citizens and the economy. The ability to raise enough troops is not solely a matter of calling individuals to arms but involves navigating these interconnected challenges effectively.


You have again given a list of generalities. Let’s inspect a couple of them. Starting with #4 on your list. Are you suggesting that Ukraine today as a much smaller percentage of military age men in its population that France had in 1914? I doubt that.


You’re correct to call for a closer examination. My intention with point #4 was to highlight demographic challenges, which can include but are not limited to the proportion of military-age individuals within the population. To clarify and correct the comparison:

The demographic structure of Ukraine today compared to France in 1914 would indeed be influenced by different factors, but not necessarily in a way that significantly reduces the percentage of military-age men in the population. France in 1914, before World War I, had a population with a significant portion of military-age men, just as Ukraine has today. However, the demographic challenges I referred to encompass broader issues, such as:

  • Population decline: Ukraine has experienced a population decline over recent years due to factors like lower birth rates, higher death rates, and emigration. This overall decline affects the total pool of military-age men, even if the percentage remains substantial.
  • Migration: Significant numbers of Ukrainians working abroad might affect the immediate availability of military-age men for conscription.
  • Health and Eligibility: Health issues or physical fitness can also impact the number of individuals eligible for military service, though this is a factor that would vary widely and not be unique to Ukraine.

To directly address your concern: it’s not necessarily that Ukraine has a much smaller percentage of military-age men in its population than France had in 1914, but rather that the overall demographic, economic, and social context today presents different challenges for mobilization. The comparison might have implied a direct demographic disadvantage in terms of available military-age men, which oversimplifies the situation. The key point is that demographic trends are just one aspect of the broader context affecting Ukraine’s ability to mobilize its population, rather than a direct comparison of percentages of military-age men between Ukraine now and France in 1914.

Given the complexity of demographic factors and their impact on military mobilization, it’s clear that a more nuanced analysis is necessary to fully understand these challenges.


Sorry, but this last answer makes no sense at all. If the populations are equal at about 40 million and you admit that the percentage of military age men is the same, then the rest of the answer is meaningless. Unless you are saying that other that huge numbers of Ukrainian military age men are avoiding service. are they?


The point I aimed to clarify but may not have articulated clearly is that while the basic demographic potential (in terms of percentages of military-age men) might be similar between Ukraine today and France in 1914, the actual availability and willingness of those individuals to serve can be influenced by various factors. Avoidance of military service can indeed be one such factor, and it’s worth examining more closely in the context of Ukraine’s current situation:

  1. Avoidance and Evasion: There have been reports indicating that some individuals in Ukraine have sought to avoid military service. This can occur for several reasons, including fear of combat, family responsibilities, economic hardship due to leaving jobs, or opposition to the conflict. Methods of avoidance include not responding to draft notices, leaving the country if possible, or seeking exemptions through medical or other means.
  2. Migration and Displacement: The conflict in Ukraine has led to significant internal displacement and migration, with millions of Ukrainians having left the country since 2014. This displacement includes military-age men who might not be present within the country to be conscripted or who have settled abroad and are less likely or able to return for service.
  3. Economic and Social Considerations: Economic factors, such as the need to support families, can also influence decisions regarding military service. In some cases, individuals may prioritize continued employment over responding to mobilization, especially if they are the primary breadwinners for their families.
  4. Health and Eligibility: Health standards for military service mean that not all military-age men are deemed fit for service. Chronic health issues, disabilities, or injuries can exempt individuals from conscription.
  5. Public Sentiment and Morale: The willingness of the population to engage in military service can also be affected by public sentiment towards the government, the military, and the conflict itself. High casualty rates, concerns about the treatment of service members, and the perceived progress or purpose of the conflict can all influence morale and willingness to serve.

While Ukraine has undertaken significant mobilization efforts and many Ukrainians have voluntarily joined the military or been conscripted, challenges related to evasion, displacement, and other factors do impact the overall effectiveness of these efforts. It’s a complex situation, where logistical, social, and individual factors intersect to affect the total number of individuals available and willing to be mobilized for military service.

Therefore, while the demographic potential for mobilization might be comparable to historical precedents, the actual realization of that potential is affected by a contemporary context that includes both challenges in encouraging or enforcing service and broader societal dynamics.


Hmmm. It sounds like you are coming around to an answer that yes, avoidance of military service might be the answer. Is that right?


Yes, that’s correct. Avoidance of military service is indeed a significant factor affecting Ukraine’s ability to mobilize a larger army. Various reports and observations indicate that despite the government’s mobilization efforts, there are challenges related to individuals avoiding or evading military service. This can be due to a range of reasons, including fear of combat, personal and family responsibilities, economic considerations, as well as broader societal and morale factors.

The complexity of the ongoing conflict, the impact on civilian life, and the personal risks involved contribute to the decision-making process for many individuals when faced with the prospect of military service. Additionally, logistical and administrative challenges can also hinder the effectiveness of mobilization efforts.

In summary, while there are multiple factors at play in the mobilization process and the challenges faced by Ukraine in raising troops, avoidance and evasion of military service represent significant and impactful considerations.


OK, let’s look at #6 Are you suggesting that if the Ukrainian government were allowed to use impressment gangs and coral young men by force that they might get enough soldiers, but that it will look bad internationally?


My mention of “International Legal and Humanitarian Considerations” in point #6 was intended to highlight the broader context within which Ukraine operates, particularly concerning adherence to international norms and the impact of its actions on international support. The suggestion wasn’t specifically about using impressment or forceful methods to conscript soldiers, but rather about the overall approach to mobilization and its implications.

To address your question directly:

  1. Use of Force in Conscription: While historical examples exist where impressment or forced conscription was used to fill military ranks, such practices today would conflict with international human rights standards and could lead to significant internal and external criticism. The use of forceful conscription methods could undermine public support for the government, affect morale within the armed forces, and damage Ukraine’s international reputation, particularly among its allies.
  2. International Image and Support: Ukraine’s international image and the support it receives, especially from Western countries, are crucial in the current conflict. Actions perceived as violating human rights or international legal standards could jeopardize this support. It’s important for Ukraine to maintain its standing as a country committed to democratic values and human rights, even amidst the challenges of war.
  3. Balance of Strategies: The Ukrainian government needs to balance its urgent need for troops with the long-term implications of its mobilization strategies. This includes considering the welfare and rights of its citizens, maintaining international support, and adhering to legal and humanitarian standards. Effective mobilization strategies are those that can sustainably support military needs while respecting individual rights and maintaining public and international backing.

In summary, while forceful conscription might theoretically increase the number of soldiers, the negative repercussions likely outweigh the potential short-term gains. The challenge for Ukraine is to mobilize its population effectively and ethically, leveraging support through voluntary enlistment, national solidarity, and international assistance, all while navigating the complex legal and humanitarian landscape of the modern world.


Well, hmmm. You are averse to ugly answers. That’s nice, but you say, “The suggestion wasn’t specifically about using impressment or forceful methods to conscript soldiers, but rather about the overall approach to mobilization and its implications.” What do you mean? What is the overall approach that offend international human rights law. Are you sure its not the forced methods part? If not, what?


My previous responses may have not been as clear as intended on this nuanced issue. Let’s clarify:

The “overall approach to mobilization” refers to how a government organizes and conducts the process of calling up individuals for military service, including the methods used to encourage or compel service, how exemptions and deferments are handled, and the treatment of those who are conscripted or volunteer.

When discussing international human rights law and potential offenses, the concern over “forced methods” is indeed central. International norms and human rights standards emphasize the importance of treating individuals according to principles of dignity, fairness, and respect for personal freedoms. Forced conscription methods, such as impressment or coercive mobilization tactics that do not allow for lawful exemptions or deferments, can violate these principles.

To be more specific:

  • Forced Methods: Using force or coercion to conscript individuals into military service without providing for lawful exemptions (such as for health reasons, conscientious objection, etc.) or due process can indeed conflict with international human rights standards. Such practices could lead to accusations of human rights abuses.
  • International Human Rights Law: This body of law includes various treaties and conventions that outline the rights of individuals and the obligations of states to protect those rights. Forcibly conscripting individuals in a manner that violates their rights or does not allow for due process and appeal could contravene these international standards.
  • Implications: The use of force in conscription, beyond being a potential human rights issue, can have broader implications for a country’s international relationships and support. Allies and international organizations may view such practices negatively, impacting diplomatic relations and assistance programs.

The point about “offending international human rights law” is indeed closely related to the methods of mobilization and conscription, particularly any use of force or coercion that disregards the rights and freedoms of individuals. The broader context includes not only the act of conscription itself but also how the process is managed in terms of respecting human rights, providing for exemptions, and ensuring due process. The challenge for any government, including Ukraine’s, is to navigate these complex issues while addressing the urgent need for defense and security.


Ok, we’re getting there. You say, “The challenge for Ukraine is to mobilize its population effectively and ethically, leveraging support through voluntary enlistment, national solidarity, and international assistance, all while navigating the complex legal and humanitarian landscape of the modern world.” I guess maybe that does sum up the challenge. You like to use “nuanced,” “complex” and “comprehensive” in your answers. Fair enough. I don’t know of many simple, black & white, isolated strategic problems. But here is the Ukrainian regime’s problem stated a tad more flatly: The Ukrainian Army failed in its 2023 offensive; the Russian Army is now breaking through in the East; The Ukrainian Army does not have enough manpower to stop it or even operate the advanced weapons that might stop it; and there is no time to meet the conditions you pose in your challenge sentence. What can they do now? The challenge you state is quickly becoming untenable as a logic.